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12-21-2021, 03:53 PM | #16 | |
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Actually when I think about it the Pipin guns would be from about 15 to 20 years ago, so they would be using the 2001 handle which is what the Sten uses now. The handle was adopted from the 1994 Cyrano, the original model of that gun, but in black and white rather than black and orange.
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12-21-2021, 09:27 PM | #19 |
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The very long guns also had a float and a folding knee loading handle, you can see one here.
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Pete is correct - these were the Pipin models with the metal trigger. We always used to tape the barrel with electrical tape as it prevented the anodizing from getting scratched. None of my guns have the loading bar, but two of them had a mid handle to assist in loading and maneuvering in less than ideal vis./Users/seaviews/Desktop/IMG_0630.jpg/Users/seaviews/Desktop/IMG_0632.jpg/Users/seaviews/Desktop/IMG_0634.jpg/Users/seaviews/Desktop/IMG_0635.jpg
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12-22-2021, 10:57 PM | #22 |
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Any opinions on the Seac Assos? Thats the one i used the other day and it felt great. I used the older one not the newer version. But I have someone who would sell me a older model and used 130 for a great price.
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12-23-2021, 06:01 AM | #23 |
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Well if I were you I would go for the Pipin model as the chance to get one of those is a real opportunity. The Asso is actually a slight variation on the original Sten model with its finger grip handle, but Mares guns were always the leader of the pack compared to the other brands. Maybe not so today as the brand has had some problems in recent years, but the Pipin guns pre-date all that. I never bought a Pipin model as there is no way I could load one, but that did not stop me looking at the time, plus long guns can be a bit of an oar in the water.
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I can't get the pics to show up, but if you want them, pm your email and i'll send them.I believe the parts (pistons etc) from the newer sten guns will work in the older models...
We used a belt loader on the shorter pneumatics, and I believe there were ankle loaders that were used on the longer guns. |
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Seac Sub which produces the "Asso" product line are Italian and have nothing to do with either the "Persistent" or the Hang Fung "Aqua Gear" which are essentially the same guns that only look like an "Asso". Seac Sub is a quality brand like Mares and has been around for a long time, although not as long as Mares. All the replaceable parts of the “Pipin” guns will be exactly the same as the current Mares “Sten” as basically “Pipin” guns are just elongated “Sten” guns with longer inner barrels and the matching tanks. Mares used the Pipin name as part of an endorsement deal to promote part of their range, but the guns don’t have any special Pipin element as Mares produced that gun before he became involved except for the name stickers.
Salvimar spear tails are exactly the same as Mares, Salvimar which evolved out of metal components maker “Salvi and Figli” previously were subcontractors to many other dive company brands in Italy. They also used to make parts for the Scubapro “Magnum” pneumatic guns produced for Scubapro in Italy and when Scubapro quit spearfishing they re-issued the gun under a new “Salvimar” brand as the “Vintair” which eventually morphed into the “Predathor” with new mouldings to provide a side line release. Note that spear tails all use 6 mm threads and they can be swapped between shafts to match the brand of gun you are using, the tail ends being sold as spare parts. On the Internet you often see comments by people who say the Persistent “Stunner” guns are Asso guns, they are wrong and are based on a misunderstanding and everyone quoting each other when they don't really know what they are talking about. The giveaway on these Asian guns is that block type rear sight rearing up out of the handle which is basically there so they that could say their gun was not a direct copy of the "Asso" when in fact it actually is. When Hang Fung later contracted for the Persistent guns they just used their current parts while altering the mould details for the “Persistent” name and the decorative detail on the upper grip body. Check the attached photo. Don't confuse Mares Pipin guns with the Persistent Pipin guns, they are different products. The Mares Pipin guns are long 2001 Sten models using the Supersten metal trigger as a differentiating element. Last edited by popgun pete; 12-23-2021 at 05:47 PM. Reason: extra comment |
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If you buy a Persistent cheap enough then you can always treat is a throwaway gun, a lot depends on whether in making them the Chinese went for a better materials specification or just decided it was business as usual. The fact that the guns are no longer made tells you something. At a glance they looked OK as can be seen here. Last edited by popgun pete; 12-23-2021 at 07:56 PM. Reason: Added photos of the other aliases of these guns |
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Pictures - 2nd try
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