Home | Tournaments | Calendar | Weather | Merchandise | Sponsors |
|
Florida East Coast Spearfishing Let's talk here about spearing on Florida's Atlantic coast. Reports and other issues about this region belong here. |
|
Thread Tools | Rating: | Display Modes |
09-28-2009, 04:51 PM | #136 |
Senior Member
Join Date: Nov 2007
Posts: 5,430
|
Re: FWC to ban grouper in state waters
|
09-28-2009, 05:01 PM | #137 |
I'll Drive, You Dive
Join Date: Dec 2004
Location: So. Florida
Posts: 20
|
Re: FWC to ban grouper in state waters
Sorry I'm not macho enough to play in your sandbox Built7. I posted here to relay what I saw at the FWC meeting in HITH. Shoot the messenger if you like, I never advocated for the seasonal closure, although I still agree with the spawning closures, nothing I've heard here in this forum changes my mind.
Keep pounding your chest and complaining without any meaningful participation in the process. You reap what you sow. I'm not the one trying to take away your fishing rights, your anger is misdirected and probably will do you more harm than good in the long run. If you're not happy with the fishing rules, take part in the process and make a difference. I didn't think anything I posted was earth shattering or inflammatory. In fact I'm really surprised at the reaction to some of my posts. I've monitored the regulatory bodies, but I've never voiced my opinion to them. I think that people using the resource should understand the process. I'll be diving, and when I want fresh fish I'll take what I want when it's available and in season. I'll continue to lurk on the board, enjoying the pictures of successful trips and tournaments. I'll be on the water as much as possible. How about you? Safe Diving Cheryl |
09-28-2009, 05:12 PM | #138 | |
Registered User
Join Date: Dec 2008
Location: Jupiter, Florida
Posts: 1,428
|
Re: FWC to ban grouper in state waters
Quote:
If I haven't said so already, I am FOR the closure during spawning. I think it would make a remarkable difference. |
|
09-28-2009, 05:53 PM | #139 |
Registered User
Join Date: Aug 2007
Posts: 418
|
Re: FWC to ban grouper in state waters
Dear FWCC Staff Members,
This email serves as my official request that the attached forum entries be included in the official record of the process of developing/modifying the grouper and permit regulations as they pertain to state and Federal waters off the coasts of Florida. While the document is lengthy and centers on grouper, it serves well to apprise the commissioners of the various mindsets of the spearfishermen who will be governed by the regulations the Commissioners approve and as well the potential impact on both resources. I have included the attached word file that contains all posts up to the time of this email in case the forum is pulled. Should the forum remain intact it may be easier to read the postings by going directly to the link at: http://spearboard.com/showthread.php?t=92102 I suspect that there will be more posts to come. Please feel free to contact me at your convenience should you have any questions or need any assistance. Best Regards, Bill Parks I just put your money where your mouths are. Let's see how this goes... |
09-28-2009, 06:12 PM | #140 |
Registered User
Join Date: Jan 2005
Age: 63
Posts: 262
|
Re: FWC to ban grouper in state waters
Divide & conquer!
Rule #2 in the fisheries management hand-book. This is why people like Holly Binns (PEW trust) have such an easy time getting these regs passed. Chest pounding, name calling & yelling will never get us anywhere. I have been following fisheries theft..........management policy since Magnussen was created & never saw this kind of passion back then. All that I heard was "Man, that will never happen". Guess what? We are in the eleventh hour of a battle that is, at this point almost un-winnable. Visiting marinas & boat ramps to educate & organize un-knowing people, phone calls to representatives & Sec. of Commerce Locke, talking to dive shops & tackle dealers are all good ways to organize a formidable force. I am afraid it is too late, though. This closure will just generate new revenue in the way of fines for new government management organizations. It will also make criminals out of good, everyday people. As for "government science", research into counting methods, biomass extrapolations & other math used to "estimate" fish populations are about as accurate as Global Warming science & "Ocean Acidification" science that use experiment data that is so skewed it has been laughed at by real scientists that are not on the government payroll. As for far less grouper than "back in the day", if you go out deep enough, you will find that spawning aggregations are still congregating in places with less pressure. Grouper are not stupid! I can still take people to places that hold masses of grouper that would scare you! I have found that memories of the glory days tend to get fuzzy after the passage of time. No offense to anyone! Acres of Grouper is probably an exaggeration or a distant memory. If they close a certain area, fishermen will just fish down the chain until another species is declared as over-fished. Also, if the fish under regulation were to ever reach the numbers that gov't scientists say they should be at, there would not be enough food, or habitat to sustain any of them. Fisheries management is following along the same lines as the current administration. Far right or far left. No compromise! We have a group of head-boat captains here in GA(with the assistance of the CCA) that have come up with a proposal to completely ban spear-fishing & also close the Artificial Reefs! Also there would be "special research catch permits" issued to select captains to fish the closed areas! Captains that have claimed to be in support of us. Divide & conquer! Go to this link http://www.safmc.net/Meetings/Counci...1/Default.aspx & read some real depressing crap that is too late to turn. It will show the results of the Charleston meeting & how each rep voted. Divide & conquer! Read the signatures of SC fishermen that want to implement IFQ's & Catch shares! Public comment will be accepted through October. Put some of this negative energy to good use & organize! |
09-28-2009, 06:13 PM | #141 |
Registered User
Join Date: May 2008
Posts: 214
|
Re: FWC to ban grouper in state waters
Very Cool Bill. If you've been around South Florida for as long as you have, you have to know that the depletion of the fisheries has been more of a Political/Economical screw up than Spearos just shooting some fish. We can stop people from fishing, and sure this would help some, but the real issues that caused the problems would still remain. Main one being habitat destruction.
I found this on youtube and tought I'd share. What I previously posted about the dredging has been known for a very long time. Hope these posts also shines a light on yet another issue. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Da3oNEFn6Rg |
09-28-2009, 06:57 PM | #142 | |
Registered User
Join Date: Aug 2007
Posts: 418
|
Re: FWC to ban grouper in state waters
Quote:
|
|
09-28-2009, 07:17 PM | #143 | |
Registered User
Join Date: Aug 2007
Posts: 418
|
Re: FWC to ban grouper in state waters
Commenting:
Quote:
|
|
09-28-2009, 07:30 PM | #144 | |
Senior Member
Join Date: Apr 2003
Location: St. Petersburg, FL
Posts: 3,104
|
Re: FWC to ban grouper in state waters
Quote:
This post and that thread are just another show of your maturity level and (lack of) intelligence. "I'll show those dumb ole spearfisherman how evil they all are" eh bill? It's no wonder regulators all roll their eyes at the mere mention of your name. What exactly do ramblings on a completely anonymous, internet, chat board (a virtual bar) have to do with the way managers are tasked with doing their jobs? |
|
09-28-2009, 07:35 PM | #145 |
Registered User
Join Date: Sep 2003
Location: Florida keys
Posts: 923
|
Re: FWC to ban grouper in state waters
Bill:
Remember the old saying "Never try to teach a pig to sing, you will just waste your time and annoy the pig!" |
09-28-2009, 07:53 PM | #146 |
Registered User
Join Date: Aug 2007
Posts: 418
|
Re: FWC to ban grouper in state waters
What exactly do ramblings on a completely anonymous, internet, chat board (a virtual bar) have to do with the way managers are tasked with doing their jobs?[/color][/quote]
Oh, you'll find out, Rich.....you'll find out.... |
09-28-2009, 07:54 PM | #147 |
.
Join Date: Oct 2003
Location: Palm Bch County
Posts: 11,256
|
Re: FWC to ban grouper in state waters
Bimini Bill:
You made the following statement: The majority of the primary gag spawning area along the southeast coast is in the state waters of Palm Beach County - When you refer to the "Southeast Coast", what does that mean? Also, I have been hunting gags for over 20 yrs in Palm Beach County and I can assure everyone that their abundance is down a lot from what it used to be. I am just as sure of the validity of this conclusion is I am when I say "the jewfish population has exploded in the same area". I'm not interested in getting into some of the ridiculous dialog in this thread ,but I would like to know what you mean by southeast coast.
__________________
http://www.makospearguns.com/ My Youtube Channel -->https://www.youtube.com/user/whatandwhen2 |
09-28-2009, 08:02 PM | #148 |
Registered User
Join Date: Aug 2007
Posts: 418
|
Re: FWC to ban grouper in state waters
True, Don, but the regulators need to see both sides of this issue - the people here who are progressive and the ones who aren't - so they can make their rules and decisions based on the mix of REAL users, not the polished idealistic users who don't exist. You notice that Rich is saying that I'm showing the spearfishermen as "evil" or some such similar adjective. Pardon me, but I haven't altered one word of what's been said. The spearfishermen are speaking for themselves, "evil" or otherwise. Can't pass the buck to me, Rich.
|
09-28-2009, 08:03 PM | #149 |
Marisa D Fishing Team
Join Date: Feb 2004
Location: Jacksonville, FL
Posts: 2,340
|
Re: FWC to ban grouper in state waters
I was wondering this too. I guess the masses of gags we see up her off Jax. in the winter are just lost.
|
09-28-2009, 08:16 PM | #150 | |
Registered User
Join Date: Aug 2007
Posts: 418
|
Re: FWC to ban grouper in state waters
Quote:
As for Southeast Coast, I refer to that area from about Stuart to Ft. Lauderdale. During the winter spawning aggregations the highest concentrations of spawning fish were along here, particularly from Delray, northward to Hobe Sound and even inshore as shallow as ten feet along the reefs of Palm Beach, the jetties of Palm Beach Inlet. |
|
Bookmarks |
Thread Tools | |
Display Modes | Rate This Thread |
|
|